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Post by jenarosa on Mar 4, 2009 1:11:47 GMT -5
I got this terrible feeling tonight when I heard the death penalty was still off the table... I am thinking that this thing is going to turn out horribly, not what any of us want and certainly justice won't be served for little Caylee. No matter what they say about Baez, he is a viper for Casey. He is in court fighting everything that comes up (the pictures & new video) he's fighting for her all the way. And it seems there's no one for the prosecution that has any ballz when it comes to him, or at least, they're gunna have to get a lot tougher on Casey or she'll walk. And, on that, maybe she will walk--- with relatively little time. Did anyone ever think about that? If they get it down to second degree manslaughter (a terrible accident) she could be on the street in 3-4 years. You know, the prosecution (we know) isn't dumb enough to believe any of this garbage but still I think there is a huge sympathy factor for Casey like "Awe well, she's a young cute girl, that's just normal behavior" or maybe one of my kids could do the same??? The prosecutors are going to have to get a lot tougher during trial. AND, now Casey has hired a new (really expensive) lawyer from San Diego. He is an expert in crime reconstruction. How the F is she paying for all these attorneys??? a San Diego attorney? Why are these professionals getting involved in this case. I am getting a really sick feeling again! goodnight. jenarosa
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Post by thebookgirl on Mar 4, 2009 18:54:10 GMT -5
I think it all depends on the jury, and hoping the prosecution is able to weed out any freak that may be in it for their 15 minutes. I'm surprised so many retards are out there who have contributed to her Pop Tarts and underwear fund, so I'm sure there could be someone who would be a fucktard on a jury. I think so much has happened since the beginning, it's easy to get caught up in each little bit that comes across and finding where a loophole could be. BUT, KC fucks herself over more than anything else. Think of every single lie on top of waiting 31 days to notify LE. And SHE didn't even call them. Factor in the pics, stolen checks, etc. If she tries to use "Zanny" made her pose on a stripper pole, that whole defense team will be laughed out of the the room. Then, get the two Twunts and their son up there, and they'll be their usual freakish selves, especially big mouth Cindy Twunt. Laughing Lee and Suicide by Big Mac George are just more icing on the cake. AND, we haven't even gotten to cholorform in the trunk, smell of death in the trunk, and all the shit that comes from that house...the laundry bag especially. I'm not sure about taking the DP off the table, except for the fact that getting that may be a bit harder because of her age, and the fact she's white and attractive (sorry to say). They may believe that life is the more likely sentence to get, and frankly, for someone like KC, I think it is the worst punishment of all. Growing old and ugly and alone in jail. The DP is so controversial, and between that and the endless appeals and possible re-trials, it's not worth it, keeping her in the public eye. And OMG, could you even imagine having to stomach Camp Crazy as they "crusade" against the DP and their darling KC??? That's BARF x 10000! Let her rot in jail as the attention she gets off on now fades away. Betcha Franken-Baez and the Pop Tart funders won't be around a few years down the road.
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Post by kehgonthediva on Mar 4, 2009 19:02:05 GMT -5
Well it's all about the REASONABLE DOUBT, which I'm sure Casey knew all about since Death By Big Mac Daddy worked for the sheriff's department. Unless the prosecution has REAL evidence in the way of fingerprints and those fingerprints exclude anyone else and any means EXCEPT she used the tape (etc.) on her daughter, then we have a case of reasonable doubt and Baby Killer will be set free to write tons of books on her innocence and how she was railroaded. What Camp Crazy is doing with all this he said/she said bullshit is they know this will cause reasonable doubt among the jurists and either cause a dismissal or a hung jury. Rarely do cases without really good evidence get convictions. Unless you're black or Hispanic. I'm sorry, throw something at me, I had to say it Mostly people THINK there is evidence on them so they plead out.
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Post by janea64 on Mar 5, 2009 12:01:24 GMT -5
I have always felt that jurors, when faced with the task or rendering a verdict in a case that is not cut and dry, as most are not, will lean towards a guilty verdict. I can not say that I would not do the same. The general consensus is that the accused can always appeal... let someone else make the decision at retrial... mean time they are not out on the streets committing other crimes.
Just last night there was a lady on the news who was being interviewed after a murder trial. She was a relative of the victim. The accused was sentenced to life instead of death. She was very upset that now "He has unlimited chances to appeal and has a chance to get out of prison". This is the way most people feel, I'd be willing to bet.
But there are only a few ways to get an appeal, and there are narrow time frames in which these appeals can be made and they are not unlimited in number.
The incarcerated are supposed to have access to legal council after their trial, but they do not. They are left to make sense of laws that so not make sense to most of us in the ways that they are written and even to lawyers and judges in some cases. The term "interpretation of the law" comes to mind. Hell the Supreme Court and not always agree on the "interpretation of the law". Many of these folk in prison are uneducated or undereducated and left to fend for themselves in writing their appeal.
Now, when the death penalty is involved... I think that people are a little more queasy about rendering a verdict when they are not sure if the defendant is guilty or innocent. They know they will have to live with their decision and will question it the rest of their lives. Everyone wants the death penalty, but not many want to be the ones to condemn a person to death, unless it is a heinous crime with concrete evidence.
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Post by thebookgirl on Mar 5, 2009 19:04:35 GMT -5
Sigh...I've wondered about reasonable doubt myself. I really think, though, that when everything gets strung together, you just can't say it's reasonable to wait 31 to report your child missing (and she didn't even do it, Big Mouth did), it's not reasonable to say you work somewhere, take cops there, when you for sure will be busted, it's not reasonable to have evidence on your computer of how to make choloroform then end up with the air in your trunk saturated with it, it's not reasonable to claim to have a nanny that no one can find any evidence of whatsoever, it's not reasonable to think grandparents who live with their grandchild (and Big Mouth considered Caylee her child) would never, ever ask about a nanny. It's not reasonable to think that a woman who photographed everything, even pissing in a parking lot would have NOT one single picture of the nanny she knew for years with the baby at a birthday party, Christmas, anything like that. It's not reasonable to think that the "real" story is that said nanny actually kidnapped baby at the park and a mother would just stand there and let it happen, THEN claim that the trip up and down the stripper pole, to Target to shop with stolen checks, and to bank to clean out friends account was done because nanny was "forcing" her to do it. It's not reasonable to believe that a former cop is on tape just about saying everything but I know Caylee is dead and Casey had something to do with it (smell in car, "here's your fucking cans", etc.) THEN agree with Big Mouth that it really was a rotten pizza that he accidentally thought was a dead body. And on and on and on. I think if the prosecution was smart, yes.. they'd bring up every piece of evidence they have, but end with the entire scenario ala Camp Crazy and ask the jury EVERY one of those questions... Is that action reasonable? The answer has to be no....and I think there is such hatred toward all of them, that if the right people are on the jury, they will WANT to hear that. Of course, that JMO! christine
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Post by janea64 on Mar 5, 2009 20:42:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the slap in the face bookgirl... I needed that.... I think Caseyfan poured me a little of his kool-aid. Obviously there are people out there that still "believe". And you know that Jose is going to try to fill the jury pool with everyone who is living under the same rock he crawled out from under.
I am involved in a case that I thought was a slam dunk and I think the defense thought was a done deal and that the jury would be able to separate the shit from the shinola. I was amazed at the final verdict and how stupid the jury could actually be.
My opinions were in place about the way a jury thinks collectively long before I was involved in any trial and I still hold on to my opinions, but you are right... any reasonable person would see through the crap... but juries are not always reasonable.... I find that my opinion is re-enforced the more I read about cases.
Anyone have an antidote? I think I'm having a relapse... Did someone say Mai-Tai's?
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Post by thebookgirl on Mar 6, 2009 15:36:21 GMT -5
Hi Jane, I didn't know we had a "caseyfan" here. A lonely place, I guess. LOL! I just don't know about juries in these kind of high profile cases. You know, though, there was no controversy on the Scott Peterson case, and I hate to say it, but I'm surprised there wasn't some stupid twat who fell in love him from the jury box. Did that happen to those two Menendez fucktards? I thought they had a mistrial before they were convicted. I know some dumbass married the one with the toupe later in prison. So, you never know...I think there's alot more evidence against KC already (and there's got to be more...the prosecution says nothing at all, they seem very cool and confident) than Peterson ever had against him. IMO, there was a better case for reasonable doubt there than in this case. (I don't doubt that SP did kill Lacey.) What's amazing is that if KC would have kept her trap shut, OR used her pathological lying skills to invent an accident scenario, she'd probably be off with little time/probation already. BTW, you mentioned drinks....I'm with you!! I may go dirty martini though!
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Post by jenarosa on Mar 7, 2009 2:17:39 GMT -5
Something interesting I noticed during KC's last court appearance... Remember Cindy & George informed the court that they were "Too emotionally devastated to testify"? Did anyone notice the how Cindy looked at pre-trial? She certainly DID NOT look mentally sick, she had a new red (expensive blazer on) and her hair had just been colored, cut and blown dry w/ all makeup in perfect place and she had that "perfect snotty Cindy look for the media". (Maybe they've hired new PR people and maybe even a personal stylist for TV appearences. George, on the other hand, did look emotionally distroyed, he had his head down clenching his hands together and you could see he was really sweating the court thing out. I though at the end was the worst, when they panned the camera to them and Brad wouldn't let them comment about something, and Cindy said "Oh we might not want to answer that." Okay, since when in the frick are they camera shy? and you could tell that she was just itching to get back into the limelight. She's all dolled up and ready for her sound-bites, it's nauseating!!!! and to think little Caylee's bairly cool in the grave and these bozo's are in a red blazer camera ready! Well coiffed, not a hair out of place BUT so emotionally devastated they cannot be deposed... These people know all the tricks, and don't you think they don't... P.S. Did u hear that just before they found the body, when they were flying back to FL from CA from the Larry King interview all courtesy ABC they stayed at a 4 star hotel and feasted on crap puffs??? I guess just becase you are in deep-grief, you can still enjoy a gourmet meal~ right? and! Did anyone hear that their marriage is on the rocks and they are thinking about seperation? But then again, they'd have to divide all the $$$ from the book and movie deal, that would suck big Time!!! jenarosa
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Post by sukismom on Mar 8, 2009 12:22:23 GMT -5
Jenarosa,
I feel the same way as you do.
I just hope Sindy's hairstylist was gentle with her, being as fragile as she is. I also hope George is having a nice time, relaxing and keeping up that sun tan.
Fragile my ass. Those Scamthony's also need to be arrested! Who would be able to eat getting news of a small childs body being found?? They make me sick.
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Post by jenarosa on Mar 8, 2009 22:07:08 GMT -5
I heard somewhere that someone staying in the Crazy House saw Cindy take a cross out of Caylee's bedroom and a picture of Jose Baez; she took them both to the backyard sidewalk and began bashing them into the cement with a hammer. Word was, she was hysterical, screaming obscenties, having a total meltdown... SO, what the Anthony's main objective is to see the charges against Casey dropped, or a least for LE to pick-up Zanny the Nanny and confess or say that Casey has been telling us the truth all along. In short, they do not want to see Casey punished for killing Caylee. But can you imagine if somehow she walked... And all the Anthony's were reunited at home like Casey kept saying over and over on the jail phones. I wonder what it would be like living in that home with the person that killed your beloved granddaughter, with all the animosity that has previously gone on between Cindy and Casey. All the lies, stealing and deception that has gone on between these people. I couldn't imagine living under the same roof as a person with such a sick mind, AND if she got off, you can bet it would only be a short time until she was knocked up again (look at O.J.) he had a new Nicole-like blonde girlfriend right after he was released. God, there are a lot of crazy people out there,aren't there???!!! Just wondering what they would do if they got their wish and Casey went free? I think the whole family would implode. But why am I thinking about her going free? My husband says she's going to get the max. I sure hope so... It just scares me with all this Bi-polar and scizophrenic stuff I'm starting to hear. They (media commentators) said that a woman has to be mentally ill to commit homicide upon their own child. Yet I read on the web that a person is most at risk in their 1st year, that is when parents are mostly likely to murder their child, according to studies, YUCK! jenarosa
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Post by udontnojack on Mar 12, 2009 22:35:03 GMT -5
hi guys, new here and also caught up in the freak circus that is kc's weirdness and her strange next of kin. i sure make no excuses for kc b/c she is allegedly (lol) a sociopathic schemer and i guess sociopath is a tag you can't shake off. but that mama! whew she is a piece of work. she's a cold one. does the DMV-IV address if being a sociopath is hereditary? if so kc has only BEGUN to work on Baez. she may ~soon~ have his alleged testicles in a box under her bunk. and the bro? CMA i love you??? i miss you??? yadda yadda. that was just creepy to me.....
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